Tuesday, March 21, 2006

Weighty Postscript

(UPDATE: Last night, after like the 500th hit on yesterday`s post, I asked Hub, point blank, "Did you not want me at your office Christmas party because of the way I look?" and he looked up wearily and said, "No -- it`s because when you drink, you have a big mouth!" And then he said, "Um, why are you asking me this now?" Oh, no reason --- there`s just a bunch of people on the Internet now who hate you because of something your big-mouthed wife said about you on her blog...)

I don`t quite believe what a massive can of wriggly worms MIM opened up with her weight gain post. No, actually -- I do believe it.

And my own post on weight gain yesterday is now linked on both Tertia`s blog and Suburban Bliss (one of those famous sites I`ve never read regularly, but I guess I now have to start, because she appears to be a fellow long-suffering bride of a metrosexual). I thought my sitemeter was broken or something, because I`m getting so many hits from those two sites.

I never intended my post to be a counterpart argument rebutting MIM`s -- more of a complementary one, with my own personal take on it.

I also never intended to trash my husband, by drawing attention to what I will say is a relatively minor issue in a long and mostly happy marriage.

Hub and I have been together for over 20 years, and tomorrow is our 15th wedding anniversary. Happy anniversary, Hub! For your present, I made you into a Mommy Blog villain -- isn`t that so hip and cool? Dozens of complete strangers now think you`re an asshole!

I also want to follow up to say, after reading more of MIM`s comments, and others` comments, and thinking about it all some more, MIM never defined what she meant by, "attraction," and I think that word means something different to everyone.

"Attraction" is not synonomous with "love," although in some relationships, they are so entwined as to be inseparable. Not so in mine -- certainly, in the beginning, before we could speak each other`s language well enough to communicate, sexual attraction was a main pillar of our relationship. Hell -- it was the ONLY pillar of our relationship, until we both brushed up on our language skills.

Sexual attraction still matters now, but let`s just say it`s no longer at the top of the list, or even in the top ten. Please, commenters, do not jump all over that and tell me that that`s a "bad score"-- the only satisfactory amount of sex in any relationship is the amount that`s acceptable to both partners.

Our own numbers dropped for many reasons: Hub is a workaholic, our 3-year old sleeps in our bed, I have a totally irrational terror of getting pregnant again, etc. I could go on and on, but it`s most important to stress that my weight, which has fluctuated from a low of 105 to a pregnant high of 185, has NEVER directly affected our sex life. It`s been about the same, in frequency and quality, no matter what I`ve weighed.

Hub`s present concerns about my weight are strictly related to my appearance, not our intimate life, which is why I am more dismissive of them than I might be, if the opposite were true. As I said to MIM in an email, if it would directly enhance our sex life, I would probably consider losing or gaining weight, shaving my head (or more sensitive areas), even getting plastic surgery. Sure, losing a few pounds wouldn`t hurt, but at this point it would make less of a difference than taking the time to go away for a romantic weekend, which we keep saying we`re going to do, but haven`t done since we moved to San Francisco.

Appearances count to Hub, and as several commenters suggested, some of this is his cultural baggage. There`s an old Japanese saying, something along the lines that men from Tokyo spend all their money going to see Kabuki shows, men from Kyoto spend it all on fine kimonos, and men from Osaka spend it all on food. Guess where Hub is from!

Plus, Hub`s university degree is in something called "Aesthetics," which appears to be a combination of art history and philosophy. So yeah, the guy is obviously very interested in what everything looks like.

When we were first dating, Hub would comment on my clothes, and this really bugged me because he reminded me of my mother. But then he started combing thrift stores, and buying me vintage Issey Miyake and Yoji Yamamoto and Comme Des Garcons clothes, and I thought, hey, wait -- I kind of like this! I considered the true tests to be those occasions when I still wore something that I knew he didn`t like, and he kept his mouth shut. This proved to me that appearances count for him, but they`re obviously not everything. If appearances were mostly what mattered to him, I wouldn`t have stayed with him.

MIM`s post was not just about weight, but also about hair length. Of course, most commenters picked up the "weight" ball and ran with it, but the "hair" ball is just as important. (Damn, that was an unfortunate metaphor, but I`m going to leave it in because it made me laugh.)

When I met Hub, he thought short hair was sexy. Consequently, my hair was very short for over a decade. I personally like it better long, but when the man I love kissed the back of my neck and murmured, "Please...cut...your...hair....," I cut my hair.

But then Hub grew a beard. He didn`t consult me -- he just did it, and I HATED it at first. It looked kind of cool, but it was like kissing a hairbrush-- pffft!

So out of spite, I grew out my hair, and told him I wasn`t cutting it until he got rid of the beard. I bought a bunch of cool barrettes to pull it back. In time, I decided I LOVED his beard, and I liked my own hair long. I chopped my hair off last summer, but regretted it and am now growing it out again.

As for Hub`s appearance, he`s put on more than a few pounds over the years, too, because I`ve fattened him up with my cooking. When I was young, I was only attracted to very skinny guys, but that changed in direct relation to Hub. When he got fatter, I developed a proportionate attraction to fatter guys. I know it doesn`t always work that way, but in my case, it did.

Anyway, I guess my bottom line here is that marriages are complex, attractions are complex, weight issues can be complex, and there are no right answers. There are probably several right answers at any given moment, in any given relationship, including mine, including MIM`s -- and including yours, too.

Right?

27 Comments:

Blogger dongurigal said...

"But then Hub grew a beard.... but it was like kissing a hairbrush-- pffft!"

Don't you mean hairball?

I was going to comment on your other post, but you were too quick for me. I think it's great that you're comfortable with your weight. It gives you the freedom to care or not care what your husband thinks about it. Eventually he'll come around. And if he doesn't, oh well. C'est la vie. Like you say, marriages are complex--as I am learning oh so quickly.

1:24 PM  
Anonymous Uncle Roger said...

I can vouch, from first-hand experience, that Hub is definitely not an asshole.

I'll also add that both of you, regardless of whatever internal, culturally-imposed self-image issues you might have, are both very attractive people.

1:26 PM  
Blogger Granny said...

Complex indeed and people sometimes wonder about mine. They needn't, we're fine and I'm sure you are too even though there are times he drives me right up the wall.

1:55 PM  
Blogger Johnny said...

Those that weigh more than they did when they were 19 shouldn't throw the first doughnut. This is just a sensitive area for some people. Like you said, if it was as bad as people make it or assume, then you wouldn't still be with Hubs.

(tomorrow, another link to you)

2:05 PM  
Blogger Mary P. said...

My comment came in part from my own experience. My appearance wasn't the issue, so musing on weight gain was mostly theoretical. But there was a time when my (ex) husband didn't want his friends meeting me, didn't want me to go to his office events. Because he didn't want me meeting his girlfriend, you see...

That part of your post hit home and resonated with me, brought back some unhappy times and memories. (Happily long in my past!) When I read that I wondered if your marriage was similarly threatened - not, in your case, by a mistress, but by your husband's attitude to your appearance.

I am pleased that your marriage is not suffering the malaise mine was when my husband was behaving in a similar manner, and I apologize to you and your husband for maligning his character in this way.

2:35 PM  
Blogger J said...

L, I was trying to figure out what to say regarding your first post...you spoke so well and thoughtfully, that I hadn't had time to ponder my comment...plus I took a few days off and have been busy playing catch up. But I just wanted to jump in and say that I think you have a very healthy attitude, at least you convey one, and I'm trying to forgive your husband for commenting on what you eat. ;) I was mad at him, but I'm over it now. Happy Anniversary!

3:14 PM  
Blogger L. said...

Oh, Mary P., no need to apologize -- I totally set him up for it, by not putting it in context in my original post. Fortunately, he doesn`t read my blog!

And I ALWAYS assume that ALL comments come, at least in part, from the commenter`s own experience. I know that my comments come from mine!

3:18 PM  
Blogger Andie D. said...

"...I guess my bottom line here is that marriages are complex, attractions are complex, weight issues can be complex, and there are no right answers...."

Right?"

Fucking. A. Right!

This is why I haven't commented on anyone's post concerning MIM's original until now.

8:19 PM  
Blogger Moxie said...

I just linked your post to my post on this topic here:
http://moxie.blogs.com/moxie/2006/03/our_bodies_ours.html

I would have tracked back, but I don't know how to do that on a blogger blog.

I'm sorry people think your Hub is an asshole. FWIW, I didn't get that from your post at all. I find the way we negotiate these cultural expectations within our private marriages fascinating.

I've found that as my husband gets balder I've developed a stronger attraction to bald men. I guess we're just lucky.

8:22 PM  
Blogger mo-wo said...

I stand by my defense of Hub from earlier today. He is obviously a great guy. Although I don't know if that came through in my comment on yesterdays's post in the screw him area!

And, he's a metrosexual?? What did I miss that???

Happy Anniversary to the homesick-pair.

8:23 PM  
Blogger jw said...

L., well said (written). Yes, love is what really counts.

Happy Anniversary, L. and I.

8:53 PM  
Blogger Val said...

Happy Anniversary!!!
& let me guess... Kyoto???
Now go & read MY post re: my Spring Break adventures...
luv Val

9:07 PM  
Blogger Andrea said...

Happy anniversary!!
I feel out of touch, I didnt have time to do any blog surfing last night and I am missing tons. Wow comments!!

When hubby and I first started dating he mad a comment about my weight and I TOTALLY flipped out, his words after:
I love your heart and your mind, I just think you need to loose some weight.
He visited with a bag of expensive tea the next day.
Thing is it really hurt and has stayed with me. He makes a mention everyonce and a while but always backs it up with how he married my heart and my mind.
It is a cultural thing, no doubt about it.Doesnt mean they dont love us any less.

10:43 PM  
Anonymous Elaine said...

Hi, I just discovered your blog today and am really interested because our lives have so many parallels -- so many that I wonder if we've actually met! I've covered forex in Tokyo for a wire service (still with them, but now in general news), I've lived in the Bay Area (Berkeley J-school), and I've also lived in Kyoto -- and was there in 1985 when you were. In between, I spent six years up in Iwate. Have a long-distance relationship with an Iwate civil servant.

I've really been enjoying your blog. Your writing is great and I love your comments on everything.
Cheers

4:10 AM  
Blogger Just another Jenny said...

I just popped over from Tertia's blog and I wanted to say that your Hub got a bad rap. Poor guy, I feel kinda bad for him, he doesn't sound like a Villian.

I hope you have a great Anniversary!

7:28 AM  
Blogger L. said...

Elaine, I think I DO know you, depending on how you are able to answer this question: did a former Japanese prime minister once suggest something improper to you?

9:33 AM  
Blogger Gawdessness said...

Happy anniversary!!!!!

11:01 AM  
Anonymous MetroDad said...

Hi L,

Just wanted to pop over and say Happy Anniversary! Congrats. Hope you have a great one!

11:20 AM  
Blogger Schnozz said...

RIGHT! :) Thanks for the follow-up. I think this has been interesting for everybody.

11:22 AM  
Blogger Caloden said...

I like the part in your in your last paragraph where you talk about the "bottom line", that's as good as the "hair ball".... Seriously though,what a tender subject. It involves so much: self-esteem, social morays, ingrained patterns, the list could go at length.

Happy Anniversary to you both!

12:26 PM  
Anonymous Uncle Roger said...

'Hub`s university degree is in something called "Aesthetics,"'

Y'know, I'm glad I didn't know that last week or I might have spent Saturday night cowering in the attic and never let you in. 8^)

2:27 PM  
Anonymous elaine said...

Hahahaha...yes, a former Japanese PM DID suggest something improper to me. I've been wracking my brains since yesterday trying to figure out who you might be, without much luck. I can be reached at eml16@hotmail.com if you care to enlighten me...

4:41 PM  
Blogger kuri & ping said...

Happy anniversary from us as well! I just read your update and had to laugh. I understand about being happy with your body. I am about 20 pounds overweight (but feel like a MAJOR heifer in Japan), but am in general happy with my body. I think that's because E7 thinks my squishy stomach is great, even when I tell him that it's not supposed to be that way. :)

6:33 PM  
Anonymous p-man said...

The thing I like about being in the blog world is I am weightless. Maybe there's something else too, but I can't think of it right now.

8:06 PM  
Blogger achromic said...

If you love him and he loves you then.... this is just one of those things..... you know married things that we married people poke at each other with. It doesn't sound like he treats you bad..... or that you purposely went to gain weight as some sort of revenge for moving you to SF (tho' you could always say move me BACK and see what happens LOL). You know in my house our wieght it is a tough issue as it is what led to where I am now.......it hurts... to think ..... if I had only been doing it for him what kind of HURT that would have caused. He married me when I was 250lbs... he liked heavy women now I am rail thin (tho begining to lose that thank goodness) I married him when he was 210lbs he is over 300lbs...... but I am just happy to have him, if I could have him at 210lbs that would be great...... but not at the risk at not having him at all. Sigh, I refuse to justify my marrige and my wieght to people or my spouses...... he is utterly gorgous and the only one for me...... and I think I am for him.

8:23 PM  
Anonymous Vety said...

I was so angry at Hub! Yes, looking for a pitchfork even. Thank you for writing this post and explaining your relationship further....no more pitchfork, but I have a spork in my hand just in case he asks you again if you're still hungry...

Happy Anniversary!

6:46 AM  
Blogger sunny said...

Hey,
I stopped by to read your other two posts as you invited me to do. I still don't like to hear about anyone getting sad looks from their husband after three kids and twenty years of being together for a few extra pounds. It just doesnt seem fair. BUT: I understand that every marriage is a complex entity that people outside of won't ever really understand. Happy Anniversary, by the way!

1:07 PM  

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